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Joshua is old. There is still much land to conquer. How much time has passed between chapter 12 and 13? 5 years?
God and Joshua (I tend to first write Moses when I talk about interaction with God. It's really ingrained in my brain!) discuss the borders of the promised land.
Here is a map of how the land was divided up.
At 14:7 we suddenly go to first person. Is it Caleb speaking? Why does he get the center stage all of a sudden?
15:63 As for the Jebusites the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the children of Judah could not drive them out: but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem unto this day.
16:10 And they drave not out the Canaanites that dwelt in Gezer: but the Canaanites dwell among the Ephraimites unto this day, and serve under tribute.
What the heck? God couldn't drive the Jebusites out of Jerusalem?
Hello everyone! Its great to be back with non-violent people. I really mean that.
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Bruce:
How much time has passed between chapter 12 and 13? 5 years?
Tom
Perhaps we, as humans, should focus on why the author left out all of the time in between. Just a thought. But to answer your question under 45 years based on 14:10.
Here is an interesting link...Its like the author has already commented on this post and other posts under this blog.
http://www.torahclass.com/old-testament-studies/39-old-testament-studies-joshua/305-lesson-17-chapter12-13
Bruce
At 14:7 we suddenly go to first person...
Tom
Perhaps its because they are referencing Numbers 13 so it throws in a different POV. He gets Center Stage because maybe Caleb had to make a case to inherit Hebron. So the author just did a old-school copy and paste job of the transcript of what was said that day. I'm sure it saved the writer a few hours.
Bruce
What the heck? God couldn't drive the Jebusites out of Jerusalem?
Tom
According to my footnotes in the Bible, 16:10 is a failed military strategy. Also see 13:13.
Now why didn't God step in? 1 Kings 4.7-19 has the answer for this. So does the Jewish like provided above. Sounds like God provided the ground work for King Solomon. Maybe this had to happen in order for King Solomon to rule the way he did. God does hook up King Sol with some good stuff...1 Kings 4. 29-34...Or Joshua did not follow God's plan and followed his own free will so we as humans have to live with the consequences of each others free will.
I am writing Word for Word what the footnote says regarding 15:63:
The list of towns belonging to Judah, organized into Districts, is probably based on later administrative organization in the Kingdom of Judah.
Key phrase is later administrative organization.
We get the story of Caleb and Hebron several times. First in 14:14-15, he's given the patrimony of Hebron, which we're told was once called Kiriath-arba, and this Arba was the "chief man of" or a "great man among" the Anakim.
ReplyDeleteOf course, Joshua already destroyed Hebron in 10:37 and wiped out the Anakim (including "their cities", so Hebron again?) in 11:21.
All this info is given in a slightly different manner in 15:13-14. Here it is Kiriath-arba AKA Hebron. Arba is the ancestor of the Anakim. Caleb drives out "the three Anakim": "Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, descendants of Anak".
In Judges 1:10, Judah attacks Hebron, AKA Kiriath-arba, and kills the three men just named. (But they're apparently Canaanites here?)
@ 1:20, Hebron is given to Caleb (again?), and he drives out the "three sons of Anak".
So... let's get this straight.
First Joshua destroys Hebron.
Then Joshua kills all the Anakim, and destroys Hebron.
Then Caleb is awarded Hebron.
Then Caleb is awarded Hebron and drives out the three Anakim.
Then Judah attacks Hebron and defeats the three Anakim.
Then Caleb drives out the three sons of Anak.
Oh and I'm not even getting into whether Caleb was a Kenizzite or from Judah.
(Side note, in 11:22 the Anakim remain only in Philistine cities, and the giant Goliath is a Philistine... it seems the Anakim are associated with Philistines?)
He gets Center Stage because maybe Caleb had to make a case to inherit Hebron. So the author just did a old-school copy and paste job of the transcript of what was said that day. I'm sure it saved the writer a few hours.
ReplyDeleteOh, so there was a court stenographer, gamely plugging away every hour of every day. When God spoke to Joshua, did she overhear, or did Joshua have to repeat the entire conversation back to her?
Come on, Abbie - you know a woman would never have been entrusted with that job!
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